These probiotics lower histamine (rather than raising it)

UPDATED POST

IBS getting on your nerves? If the studies I’m reading are anything to go by, step one appears to be calming those nerves! I’ve spent a great deal of time reporting on the role of stress on mast cell activation, histamine release, allergies and general inflammation. Stress can cause mast cells to release histamine, thereby causing/worsening allergic symptoms, that’s according to National Institutes of Health funded mast cell expert Dr Theoharides. Stress can also cause an increase in symptoms for those with mast cell related conditions such as autism, cancer, chronic fatigue syndrome, interstitial cystitis, migraine headaches, psoriasis and multiple sclerosis.

The good news is that in my experience, a low histamine, anti-inflammatory diet can help. (Check out my books for more on that.) It doesn’t hurt to throw in a good dose of daily meditation while you’re at it.

Other than that, the potentially great news is that the L. paracasei probiotic can reverse the gut permeability (leaky gut anyone?) and internal hypersensitivity. Sounds good right? There’s more.

Seems that stress can also cause bacteria to cling to the gastrointestinal tract, but this bacteria was prevented from sticking to the mesenteric lymph nodes (in this study) by a mixture of L. rhamnosus and Lactobacillus helveticus 

More brilliant news…

CLICK HERE TO LEARN HOW TO CREATE YOUR OWN CUTOMISED HISTAMINE BALANCE DIET AND HEALING PLAN. 

The probiotic Lactobacillus rhamnosus (and a few others) down-regulate the IgE and Histamine 4 receptor while also up-regulating anti-inflammatory agents like (IL)-8. In English (to quote a group friend): the probiotic turns down the dial on two important allergy/mast cell cell/histamine receptors, while enhancing the activity of anti-inflammatory agents. 

 

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Seeking Health‘s Probiota Bifido supplement contains some of the beneficial probiotics in my post on histamine lowering probiotics. They’re offering free shipping on orders over $50 to the states.

While fermented foods are usually way off the menu for those of us with allergies, histamine intolerance, mast cell activation or mastocytosis, probiotics are necessary for healing the gut and preventing any further allergies from developing . You’ll find a list of histamine healthy probiotics here – and you’ll find most of the beneficial ones in this supplement below. I just recently discovered this brand in the US – thanks to my readers! Click on the image on the right for free shipping if you live in the states. If you’re in the UK I suggest checking out Optibac Probiotics.

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Bifidobacterium infantis super strain. I haven’t tried this one myself  – it’s derived from goat milk.

ORIGINAL POST

I’ve been exploring the catch-22 of probiotic supplementation for some time now. The dilemma? Probiotics are necessary for proper intestinal function – the histamine lowering enzymes diamine oxidase and monoamine oxidase live there, so fixing up our poop tube seems like a good idea right?

Gut health is so important to our condition that I continue running periodic searches on probiotics. What I’ve found so far is that I’m looking for a a probiotic supplement containing Bifidobacterium infants and Bifidobacterium longum. Today I found that Lactobacillus reuteri is something I definitely want in there. Rather excitingly to me, this new study proves something I’ve been talking about for ages – that not all histamine is bad for us. Lactobacillus reuteri causes histidine to convert to histamine, but this particular histamine raises cAMP (this is good!), and kills inflammation! This study finally backs up the assertion that not all histamine is bad and as such should not be entirely eliminated from the diet.

This all goes hand in hand with what I’ve been saying for years: the focus should be on health as a whole, rather than lowering or avoiding histamine. We need to support the immune system, lower inflammation and heal the gut.

Can cure your histamine intolerance/histaminosis/mastocytosis with a histamine-lowering probiotic? Doubtful. Could it be helpful? Possibly. Why the cautious optimism? Because I have experienced a variety of reactions to supplements over the years. But if you’re going to try probitic supplementation, this might be a good place to start.

Probiotic supplements are fermented (a no go for histamine intolerance/histamine related disorders) and some strains actually raise histamine and tyramine in the body. The good news is that strains commonly found in babies can actually lower histamine, helping us fight allergies and lower our overall histamine burden.

Lactobacillus casei (TISTR 389) andLactobacillus delbrueckii subsp. bulgaricus (TISTR 895) were found to produce BA (biogenic amines). The highest levels of histamine (1820.9 ± 3.5 mg L−1) and tyramine (5486.99 ± 47.6 mg L−1) formation were observed for the TISTR 389 strain, while TISTR 895 produced only histamine (459.1 ± 0.63 mg L−1) in the decarboxylase broth. Biogenic amine potential was not observed for the Lactobacillus acidophilus,Lactobacillus lactis subsp. lactis, Lactococcus lactis subsp. lactis, and Lactobacillus plantarum strains studied. This study confirmed that BA formation is strain dependent and not related to the species. Read the full study here.

English translation…

So I’m looking for a probiotic supplement with inflammation lowering…

(read the article below to understand the logic)

Bifidobacterium infants

Bifidobacterium longum

Bifidiobacterium breve

Lactobacillus reuteri (raises histamine in the short term but elevates anti inflammatory cAMP levels)

But also Lactobacillus plantarum (lowers/inhibits tyramine and putrescine but no effect on histamine)

Potentially…

Saccharomyces-Boulardii: I found a number of studies on its effectiveness in treating gastroenteritis, which some researchers have linked to high histamine/mast cell issues.

Histamine neutral strains…

Lactobacillus acidophilus, Lactobacillus Lactis, Lactococcus Lactis, and Lactobacillus plantarum which do not have any effect on biogenic amines like histamine and tyramine.

But not…

Lactobacillus casei (produces histamine and tyramine)

Lactobacillus Bulgaricus (increases histamine alone)

For now I’ve decided to avoid Lactobacillus casei and Lactobacillus Bulgaricus, until I find studies showing that their histamine raising qualities are in fact something we want, because it raises cAMP levels/fights inflammation.

I would not recommend starting this, or any supplement, without consulting your doctor. If you do try, please go slowly. If you prefer to go the nutritional route, a diet low in histamine is a good place to start – check out my post on pre-bioitic foods here.

You’ll find a full low histamine Christmas menu and my strategy for eating out over the holidays in the Happy Holidays Christmas Book, your gift with the purchase of any of my low histamine cookbooks. 

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Take a peek at my low histamine and antihistamine cookbooks for more high nutrient recipes.

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110 responses to “These probiotics lower histamine (rather than raising it)”

  1. Jeannie Shaver Avatar
    Jeannie Shaver

    This is exciting stuff! And thanks so much for always being on the frontier of histamine science and keeping us all in the loop:)

    I take a probiotic regularly, much to my Dr.’s chagrin, but have not noticed any histamine related reactions to it. I also find that any risk associated with taking it is outweighed by its ability to ward off any viruses:) The strain I take is Lactobacillus Plantarum and I have found an article supporting its use in the degradation of BAs during wine production. This particular capsule only contains rice powder, beet fiber and plant cellulose making it ideal for those of us with sensitivities to chemicals. Here’s the link to the wine study. Hopefully more research will be done in this field as I am sure this is not the end of this convo:) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3316997/

  2. thelowhistaminechef Avatar

    Hi there!! Thanks so much for the info 🙂 I just updated the post with your info. Glad it’s working for you!

  3. thelowhistaminechef Avatar

    Hi there!! Thanks so much for the info 🙂 I just updated the post with your info. Glad it’s working for you!

  4. Harriet Avatar
    Harriet

    What did you update? I bought the Kirkman Labs that had the probiotics from original post.
    I hope this hasn’t changed. xo

  5. thelowhistaminechef Avatar

    Don’t worry, I just added a new histamine lowering strain…all the rest is the same xx

  6. thelowhistaminechef Avatar

    Don’t worry, I just added a new histamine lowering strain…all the rest is the same xx

  7. Wendy C Avatar
    Wendy C

    Hello, I just figured out I have histamine intolerance (had been eating 1 avocado a day while on GAPS for 3 weeks and my hands flared up with eczema). I am having a hard time finding a probiotic that contains B infantis, B longum, L reuteri and L plantrum. I did not see the original post referring to Kirkman Labs. Please help! Thank you.

  8. Judith Avatar
    Judith

    The correct spelling is Bifidobacterium infantis, rather than “infants.” Thanks for looking at helpful probiotics!

  9. Kristine Fossheim Avatar
    Kristine Fossheim

    I
    would love to know probiotics at iherb you find is ok. Easy for even a
    norwegian to bye:) I have found Culturelle and BifidoBiotics already.

  10. DrHornetBudd Avatar
    DrHornetBudd

    So the Kirkman Labs is out-what brand is in the USA? Is there a name for the one at iHerb?

  11. UTBly07 Avatar
    UTBly07

    Do you have a suggestion for a multi-vitamin? I’m recently reacting to mine–but realized it contains soy & bromelain

  12. Harriet Avatar
    Harriet

    How do these newer strains you’ve discovered compare to those you found earlier made by Kirkman Labs? Are those now not as effective and should not be used, or will they do the same as these others strains from iHerb?

  13. thelowhistaminechef Avatar

    Hi there, we’re all so very different, but the one I ordered from iherb was country life rhamonsous. I LOVE iherb! They make life so easy…

  14. thelowhistaminechef Avatar

    We’re all so different H, it’s hard to tell which is the best one for you. I would stick with whatever you tolerate for now rather than spending more money. I’ll answer your email soon – am in the middle of a ton of work at the moment sorry!

  15. thelowhistaminechef Avatar

    Ouch! Yes, I’m about to start using Dr Fuhrman’s gentle care formula again.

  16. thelowhistaminechef Avatar

    Ooops typo! Thanks for pointing that out will fix it now.

  17. thelowhistaminechef Avatar

    Whoa! That’s a LOT of avo. I still can’t eat it – working on it. But it gives me mega inflammation…I’ve updated the post now and added a supplements page to the landing with more info on where to buy stuff.

  18. Jillian Avatar
    Jillian

    I came across this article about L. casei: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22721727

    Apparently it reduced histamine and tyramine in cheese. I’m not sure it would work the same in our bodies but maybe. Based on my experiences taking RenewLife probiotics with L. casei (as well as some of the good strains you mentioned), it hasn’t done obvious harm. I feel so much better and have an improved tolerance for histamine. I haven’t tried the infantis strain yet though. Maybe that would have an even greater impact on me.

  19. Lindsay Avatar
    Lindsay

    My Daughter and I both have a mast cell disorder. We are on our second large bottle of Natren Life Start 2 and doing well on it.

  20. jnowings Avatar

    This could be a case of early celebration, but bear with me here b/c I feel like I’m on to something.

    I’ve got a 20 month old girl (and a 4 year old girl). The 20 mo. old was born about a month early and had to spend almost a week in the NICU, which meant she was automatically on antibiotics.

    She was breastfed for 5-6 months and then I put her on a homemade formula (the Weston Price raw cow’s milk formula).

    She still drinks raw cow’s milk when she’s drinking milk.

    For her first year, her skin sometimes got a little patchy/inflamed. It was never terrible, but we thought of it as a light eczema.

    About 8 months ago when she turned 1 (approx, anyway — coinciding somewhat with her dropping the formula), she got an ear infection and had to go on antibiotics. At the same time, her skin got markedly worse — red spots, blotchy, raised/dry/irritated. Our pediatrician really had little informative to say other than it could be a viral thing related to the ear infection and that it’d go away. Indeed, it waxed and waned but never went away — and we started having to use more hypoallergenic stuff on her skin to reduce the patchiness.

    I often thought maybe supplementing with kefir, yogurt, or other probiotics might. I tried giving her Natren (this is in the formula I mentioned earlier) and Garden of Life Kids Primal Defense, but in both cases, I wasn’t very consistent with it and struggled with how to give her this powder. Her condition continued.

    Well, I started reading your blog last week and discovered this histamine/gut connection.

    I’d previously assumed that the skin flare-ups were due to her immune system overreacted — and that probiotics would settle her immune system down. I had no idea about the histamine connection until I read all this on your site (found via Dave Asprey).

    Finally, for at least a couple of months I’ve been personally experimenting with taking large colon prebiotics — a long way of saying resistant starches, which only get digested in the large intestine. The easiest way to do this is via raw potato starch mixed in water or some other medium. This feeds the large intestine flora. I’ve had good experience doing this (and taking adult Primal Defense capsules which have many of the “good” probiotics here though also one or two bad ones and a few others which I don’t know what do). Overall, I’ve had a great experience supplementing with “RS” — good digestion, weird downstream effects (vivid dreams), and an apparent better tolerance for allergies.

    Anyway, last week I saw some of your prebiotic suggestions, ordered some raw buckwheat (another source of RS — but one with maybe some built in probiotics), and started making connections — synthesizing all of the above — and thinking about my daughter. How could I get her gut bacteria more to the anti-histamine side of things?

    My youngest loves bananas and is hungry in the morning so it occurred to me I should mash up a banana (which has *some* RS already), throw in some potato starch, throw in some Natren and Kids Primal Defense, and well, I put in a gel cap of Black Cumin Seed oil, too.

    Three days in my daughter’s skin was soft. I’m now six days in and her skin seems markedly better than it was a week ago. In short, it *seems* that whatever I’m doing with this probiotic+prebiotic supplement is fixing her inflamed skin!

    Like I said, I feel like this is too soon to tell – though I’ll also note that I’ve been giving the same mix to my 4 year old who was having some digestive issues/gross poo (sorry for the TMI) last week — I think trying to fix that with a pro/prebiotic combo also helped me put all the above together — and it *has* helped my 4yos digestion.

    Anyway, I still feel it’s almost too soon to conclude anything here, but wow if this has solved my youngest’s inflamed skin … it’s just really exciting. Nothing is as frustrating to a parent as being unable to help your child. And feeling her skin so rough/inflamed just really made me sad.

    Now that it’s smooth … I feel so much better. And I hope it stays that way.

    Net net though for now I’m increasingly convinced that tackling gut bacteria (and perhaps large colon bacteria in particular) with anti-histamine probiotics could be very beneficial.

    And I wanted to share b/c your site helped me put all the above together.

    Thanks!

  21. thelowhistaminechef Avatar

    Hi Lindsay!

    I’m so glad to hear it’s working out for you 🙂

  22. thelowhistaminechef Avatar

    That’s wonderful Jillian!

  23. thelowhistaminechef Avatar

    Hi J,

    Thanks so much for your post!

    I’m so glad to hear that her skin is doing better! I’m assuming you’re giving her the black cumin because it’s an H1 and H2 receptor antagonist? You could also rub it into her skin as it should act topically.

    Apples are also great for getting histamine-lowering quercetin and other bioflavonoids into the little ones 🙂

    Please keep me updated on how she’s doing and feel free to email me at contact at thelowhistaminechef dot com if you have any questions.

    Good luck!

    YY

  24. Jeannie Shaver Avatar
    Jeannie Shaver

    Have you tried reading “Whats Eating YOur Child” Its a fabulous book with stories just like yours especially the chronic ear infections and skin reactions. Is she still drinking the milk? That is likely causing a ton of inflammation.

  25. thelowhistaminechef Avatar

    Yes!! I JUST finished it a few weeks ago…greatread thank you.

  26. Kaylyn Avatar
    Kaylyn

    Have you ever looked into Prescript Assist Probiotic? They are Soil Based Organisms. Wondering if they would cause histamine reaction? http://www.prescript-assist.com

  27. thelowhistaminechef Avatar

    Hi there, I have heard of them but not personally tried them. To be honest I don’t feel I have as much info as I need in order to make sound decisions about probiotics. I’m waiting for more conclusive research.

  28. Lili Avatar
    Lili

    Nature’s way Primadophilus Reuteri seems to contain only good or neutral probiotics (Bifidobacterium longum; Lactobacillus rhamnosus; Bifidobacterium infantis; Lactobacillus acidophilus; Lactobacillus reuteri), and can be bought at Iherb.

  29. Karen Avatar
    Karen

    Which of the Optibac probiotics do you recommend please? None of the products seem to match all of the 3 bacteria that you mention to be particularly beneficial. I don’t know whether the other bacteria present will release a lot of histamine. I am wanting to use them to make yoghurt as you describe in your book. It makes sense to culture the bacteria that would be most beneficial. Thanks.

  30. Christine Avatar
    Christine

    Do you know if S. Thermophilus is bad, neutral or good please?

  31. Staci Kleinmaier Avatar
    Staci Kleinmaier

    Am I missing something? I read this that L Casei is something we should avoid, but the Seeking Health Infant probiotic has it in there. Is it canceled out by the lowering affects of the other strains?

  32. Susan Avatar
    Susan

    I tried the regular Natren Life Start because the store didn’t have Life Start 2 (goat milk). It’s the 2nd day – I see no improvement. I’m desperate because my severe eczema doesn’t seem to be going away.

  33. Susan Avatar
    Susan

    I saw an article that lactobacillus sakei helped reduce histamine, but I only saw it sold in 1 product, that was for sausage-making, and there was another ingredient,
    Staphylococcus carnosus in the product.

  34. Susan Avatar
    Susan

    tried this, 3rd day, it doesn’t seem to be doing anything, and in fact, my eczema is spreading to other parts of body.

  35. Natalie Avatar
    Natalie

    Hi, I’m wondering if you have an update on Saccharomyces because I noticed on Dr. Joneja Histamine Food Guideline list she had the yeast species Saccharomyces listed under avoid. I’m curious because I see it in a lot of the professional probiotic supplements. Thanks!

  36. Kathy Avatar
    Kathy

    My head is spinning. I found this study saying that L. casei produces histamine. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2621.2011.02717.x/abstract

  37. thelowhistaminechef Avatar

    Hi Kathy, that’s exactly what I say in my post, a couple of times 🙂 Does it seem like I’m saying it doesn’t raise histamine? Apologies if that’s how you interpreted it! The study you posted is in fact one of my sources for this post…

  38. thelowhistaminechef Avatar

    Hi Staci, we do our best. There is no perfect supplement. As with our diet, it’s impossible to micromanage everything to the point of extreme stress…

  39. thelowhistaminechef Avatar

    Hi Susan, I wouldn’t expect to see any improvement with any supplement that quickly. It took 6 months for quercetin to properly work for me…I don’t know that probiotics would be my choice for clearing eczema…

  40. Kathy Avatar
    Kathy

    No, you’re right. You do say that above. I got confused when I read the comment above yours about l.casei reduced histamine and tyramine in cheese. Sorry I’m Very very new to this & my head is spinning.

  41. Claudia Avatar
    Claudia

    Has anyone tried Russian Immune Formulas that contain only the Mast Cell lowering L-Rhamnosus strain? Such as this one?

    http://www.iherb.com/Nutricology-Russian-Choice-Immune-Powder-75-Grams/8265#p=1&oos=1&disc=0&lc=en-US&w=nutricology%20russian&rc=5&sr=null&ic=5

  42. Claudia Avatar
    Claudia

    Also this one from herb seems to have good strains L Plan/ L Sal / L Rham –

    http://www.iherb.com/Nutricology-LactoBlend-100-Veggie-Caps-Ice/15726#p=1&oos=1&disc=0&lc=en-US&w=nutricology%20Lactoblend&rc=1&sr=null&ic=1

    The only thing that keeps me from ordering this one is it contains FOS. Something I’ve tried to stay away from. This ingredient can cause overgrowth and is also in the all of the Seeking Health probiotics. Any experience with FOS and histamines?

  43. Lynn D Avatar
    Lynn D

    maybe we need to have probiotic manufacturers state also the strain used. Notice ther are so many varieties on Lacidof…

  44. Lynn D Avatar
    Lynn D

    maybe we need to have probiotic manufacturers state also the strain used. Notice ther are so many varieties on Lacidof…

  45. Crabpaws Avatar
    Crabpaws

    In the US, Nature’s Way Primadolphilus Junior for children contains 3 billion CFU of
    Lactobacillus rhamnosus
    Bifidobacterium longum
    Bifidobacterium breve
    Bifidobacterium infantis
    Lactobacillus acidophilus

    (the label does not give further breakdown of how many CFUs per strain). I believe this is available through iHerb.

    For L. plantarum, I have found a refrigerated liquid, GoodBelly, to be effective. It is fermented with oats.

  46. Rachel Avatar
    Rachel

    Check out custom probiotics. They have formulas with most of the beneficial strains only and no fillers.

  47. Leora C Avatar
    Leora C

    Hi all! I just bought Ortho Biotics on iHerb. Seems to have the histamine lowering and neutral strains, but nothing bad… Thoughts?

    http://www.iherb.com/ortho-molecular-products-ortho-biotic-gastrointestinal-health-60-capsules/20798

  48. Sarah Avatar
    Sarah

    Hi Karen, try their daily probiotic (either the normal or the extra strength) or the S. boulardii. Or if in doubt, just ask them! Fantastic company, easy to deal with, and I’ve been taking the extra strength daily for 3 months now… I am feeling on top of the world!! I am so grateful for the recommendation so thank you lowhistaminechef!

  49. LL Avatar
    LL

    I took Prescript Assist for a while upon the recommendation of a nutritionist. Started very low with 1/4 of a capsule and built up to 1/2 a capsule but couldn’t get to a full capsule. Did not have a positive response. Even my husband, with no food intolerances, couldn’t continue on them. It wasn’t a histamine reaction per se, they caused extreme constipation followed by days of diarrhea upon discontinuation…for both of us. We stopped them for a few weeks then tried again, same issues. VERY unpleasant.

  50. ND Avatar
    ND

    I have MCAS and
    tried Saccharomyces Boulardii and had a horrible reaction to it…

  51. ND Avatar
    ND

    I have MCAS and
    tried Saccharomyces Boulardii and had a horrible reaction to it…

  52. louise Avatar
    louise

    Are resistant starches a good or bad thing? Thanks

  53. louise Avatar
    louise

    I had dreadful eczema. I take lots quercetin, tulsi tea and black seed oil. I also use coconut oil. It took a few months but the change is impressive

  54. LOUISE Avatar
    LOUISE

    I am using Raw Reserve supergreen powder which has good range of vitamins and minerals. I also take MSM

  55. pete Avatar
    pete

    you are awesome

  56. pete Avatar
    pete

    you are awesome

  57. Guest Avatar
    Guest

    I’m confused why you recommend Seeking Health’s “Probiota Bifido”, as it contains l. casei as it’s third ingredient, which you say above produces histamine and tyramine.

    ???

  58. Guest Avatar
    Guest

    I’m confused why you recommend Seeking Health’s “Probiota Bifido”, as it contains l. casei as it’s third ingredient, which you say above produces histamine and tyramine.

    ???

  59. Guest Avatar
    Guest

    Rhamnosus raises histamine levels big time, even though it stabilizes mast cells.

  60. thelowhistaminechef Avatar

    Hi love, as I say in my post, “Seeking Health‘s Probiota Bifido supplement contains some of the beneficial probiotics in my post on histamine lowering probiotics. They’re offering free shipping on orders over $50 to the states.” It was one of the cleaner formulations that I found. I’m often willing to compromise on something in order to avoid colouring, preservatives and fillers that might be an issue. At the end of the day, we’re all adults, and I provide information people might want to factor into the decision making process, or not.

  61. thelowhistaminechef Avatar

    Hi love, as I say in my post, “Seeking Health‘s Probiota Bifido supplement contains some of the beneficial probiotics in my post on histamine lowering probiotics. They’re offering free shipping on orders over $50 to the states.” It was one of the cleaner formulations that I found. I’m often willing to compromise on something in order to avoid colouring, preservatives and fillers that might be an issue. At the end of the day, we’re all adults, and I provide information people might want to factor into the decision making process, or not.

  62. Bonnie Avatar
    Bonnie

    I found a product called MegaFlora. They claim that it has all the naturally occurring adult flora in it. While it does have some of the things you aren’t sure about, it also has the things you are looking for. https://megafood.com/store/en/digestive/mega-flora/
    What do you think of this?

  63. Bonnie Avatar
    Bonnie

    I found a product called MegaFlora. They claim that it has all the naturally occurring adult flora in it. While it does have some of the things you aren’t sure about, it also has the things you are looking for. https://megafood.com/store/en/digestive/mega-flora/
    What do you think of this?

  64. Sharon Williams Prahl Avatar
    Sharon Williams Prahl

    jnowings, it’s been a while, would you update us on your progress with the pre and probiotics and your kids?

  65. Sharon Williams Prahl Avatar
    Sharon Williams Prahl

    jnowings, it’s been a while, would you update us on your progress with the pre and probiotics and your kids?

  66. jnowings Avatar

    She’s now 3.5 — the skin issues have never come back — so while this will always be n=1, but I am convinced this is what did the trick.

  67. jnowings Avatar

    She’s now 3.5 — the skin issues have never come back — so while this will always be n=1, but I am convinced this is what did the trick.

  68. Lynn Thompson Avatar
    Lynn Thompson

    I’m confused, the probiotic you have on your site contains the strains Lactobacillus casei (TISTR 389) andLactobacillus delbrueckii subsp. bulgaricus (TISTR 895) even though they were found to produce BA (biogenic amines) and you state you will not be using those strains yourself. Please explain. Thanks!!

  69. Lynn Thompson Avatar
    Lynn Thompson

    I’m confused, the probiotic you have on your site contains the strains Lactobacillus casei (TISTR 389) andLactobacillus delbrueckii subsp. bulgaricus (TISTR 895) even though they were found to produce BA (biogenic amines) and you state you will not be using those strains yourself. Please explain. Thanks!!

  70. Elizabeth Avatar
    Elizabeth

    I’m so thankful for this website – it’s really helped me in sorting through my histamine intolerance issues and I love the recipes I’ve made from the cookbooks I’ve bought here.

    After reading this post though I did more research and found myself worrying a little bit about throwing bacteria into my gut and what it might do once it took up residence there. I think this post over at breakingtheviciouscycle, a website I trust because it helped my boyfriend put his ulcerative colitis into remission, summarized my worries best. It’s specifically on bifidus: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/detail/bifidus/

    Again, I love this website. I’m posting this because it’s done so much for me and I want to pass along potentially useful info.

  71. Elizabeth Avatar
    Elizabeth

    I’m so thankful for this website – it’s really helped me in sorting through my histamine intolerance issues and I love the recipes I’ve made from the cookbooks I’ve bought here.

    After reading this post though I did more research and found myself worrying a little bit about throwing bacteria into my gut and what it might do once it took up residence there. I think this post over at breakingtheviciouscycle, a website I trust because it helped my boyfriend put his ulcerative colitis into remission, summarized my worries best. It’s specifically on bifidus: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/detail/bifidus/

    Again, I love this website. I’m posting this because it’s done so much for me and I want to pass along potentially useful info.

  72. HuldaBianca Avatar
    HuldaBianca

    This post really helped me. Due too a massive antibiotics treatment (2 different kinds in high dosage…) ( a nasty case of sinusitis, tonsillitis, faryngitis& bronchitis at the same time) probiotics has been absolutely necessary. This post made it possible to avoid supplements containing the strains that actually raise histamine and tyramine. So, I choose to se it as a possibility to “restart” my gut flora… Eating 3 kinds of probiotics at the same time (sigh) I get Sacharomyces boulardi, Lactobacillus plantarum, Lactobacillus rhamnosus &Lactobacillus Helveticus, and a few neutral strains, and I actually feel better than I have in years (I suspect my gut flora contained only of lactobacillus case and bulgaricus before… Hahahah

  73. HuldaBianca Avatar
    HuldaBianca

    This post really helped me. Due too a massive antibiotics treatment (2 different kinds in high dosage…) ( a nasty case of sinusitis, tonsillitis, faryngitis& bronchitis at the same time) probiotics has been absolutely necessary. This post made it possible to avoid supplements containing the strains that actually raise histamine and tyramine. So, I choose to se it as a possibility to “restart” my gut flora… Eating 3 kinds of probiotics at the same time (sigh) I get Sacharomyces boulardi, Lactobacillus plantarum, Lactobacillus rhamnosus &Lactobacillus Helveticus, and a few neutral strains, and I actually feel better than I have in years (I suspect my gut flora contained only of lactobacillus case and bulgaricus before… Hahahah

  74. Leslie Avatar
    Leslie

    Where do you find these three probiotics? Thanks!

  75. Leslie Avatar
    Leslie

    Where do you find these three probiotics? Thanks!

  76. HuldaBianca Avatar
    HuldaBianca

    The one with saccaromyces I had prescribed by the same doctor who gave me the antibiotics in greece. The other 2 (PROBI MAGE and “Mjölksyra-Bakterier” )I’ve bought in a pharmacy here in sweden. Not sure they can be bought on line. AND one of them contains a small amount of soy, so they’re not entirely “safe” for us. But, in my case I had no choise But to try…

  77. HuldaBianca Avatar
    HuldaBianca

    The one with saccaromyces I had prescribed by the same doctor who gave me the antibiotics in greece. The other 2 (PROBI MAGE and “Mjölksyra-Bakterier” )I’ve bought in a pharmacy here in sweden. Not sure they can be bought on line. AND one of them contains a small amount of soy, so they’re not entirely “safe” for us. But, in my case I had no choise But to try…

  78. Jaime Avatar
    Jaime

    Quick question, I am looking at the Seeking Health ProBiota Bifido which you have on your page but then I read your post which says

    “But not…

    Lactobacillus casei (produces histamine and tyramine)

    Lactobacillus Bulgaricus (increases histamine alone)”.

    The Seeking Health ProBiota has both of these listed as ingredients so does it raise histamine levels and if so why do you have it listed?

  79. Jaime Avatar
    Jaime

    Sorry..just saw a similar post. No need to respond 🙂

  80. Jaime Avatar
    Jaime

    Sorry..just saw a similar post. No need to respond 🙂

  81. Jaime Avatar
    Jaime

    Sorry..just saw a similar post. No need to respond 🙂

  82. Sandra Avatar
    Sandra

    Hi, i was recently diagnosed with HIT and your site has been a life-saver 🙂 there are some yogurts with lactobacilus acidophilus and bifidobacteria available here. I sent a few emails asking if they used any other cultures during the process- some use streptococcus thermophilus. Do you have any info regarding this strain?
    Thanks in advance for your reply 🙂

  83. Sandra Avatar
    Sandra

    Hi, i was recently diagnosed with HIT and your site has been a life-saver 🙂 there are some yogurts with lactobacilus acidophilus and bifidobacteria available here. I sent a few emails asking if they used any other cultures during the process- some use streptococcus thermophilus. Do you have any info regarding this strain?
    Thanks in advance for your reply 🙂

  84. Cat Avatar
    Cat

    Good. Good for your gut. Green bananas are one source. I’m sorry I forget why they are good at the mo and will update this. But I’m sure if you google it you will find out why they are good. I think you want stuff to get further along the system though and the resistant starches are able to do this.

  85. Cat Avatar
    Cat

    Good. Good for your gut. Green bananas are one source. I’m sorry I forget why they are good at the mo and will update this. But I’m sure if you google it you will find out why they are good. I think you want stuff to get further along the system though and the resistant starches are able to do this.

  86. Gill Avatar
    Gill

    I believe ProBiota Infant is the one with the better probiotic mix.

  87. Sonji Ivetac Avatar
    Sonji Ivetac

    Thanks for the post. I am wondering if you know about d-lactate free probiotics which i read somewhere help mitigate histamine reactions from probiotics?

  88. Sonji Ivetac Avatar
    Sonji Ivetac

    Thanks for the post. I am wondering if you know about d-lactate free probiotics which i read somewhere help mitigate histamine reactions from probiotics?

  89. Nicole Avatar
    Nicole

    My dr also wants me to avoid any prebiotics until we know the bad bacteria is gone.

  90. Nicole Avatar
    Nicole

    My dr also wants me to avoid any prebiotics until we know the bad bacteria is gone.

  91. Kate Avatar
    Kate

    I had next to nothing histamine symptoms before PA, and PA gave me raging histamine issues after taking it a short amount of time unfortunately. I wouldn’t be hanging around here if I hadn’t taken Prescriot Assist. 🙁 I used to be able to tolerate things that are supposed to be gut healing like fermented foods and broth and couldn’t any more without raging histamine issues.

  92. Michelle J Hopkins Avatar
    Michelle J Hopkins

    On the day my partner and I went to see a dietician re Histamine issues and she recommended probiotics your updated post came out. I’m in the UK and have looked at OpticBac for probiotics as per your suggestion. Can you recommend any particular one? The site suggests the everyday for histamine but contains FOS (Fructooligosaccharides) which can be aggravating for those with IBS. Also the dietician told us to avoid Cytoplans’ Fos-a-dophilus due to containing FOS. Any recommendations please on either OpticBac or Cytoplan. With thanks

  93. Michelle J Hopkins Avatar
    Michelle J Hopkins

    On the day my partner and I went to see a dietician re Histamine issues and she recommended probiotics your updated post came out. I’m in the UK and have looked at OpticBac for probiotics as per your suggestion. Can you recommend any particular one? The site suggests the everyday for histamine but contains FOS (Fructooligosaccharides) which can be aggravating for those with IBS. Also the dietician told us to avoid Cytoplans’ Fos-a-dophilus due to containing FOS. Any recommendations please on either OpticBac or Cytoplan. With thanks

  94. louise Avatar
    louise

    I have just ordered some Optibac as after research I thought they looked like a good option, now I am concerned about Lactobacillus paracasei, should I be avoiding this? Is it different from the L casei you say to avoid. Hope not more wasted money. Thanks Yasmina

  95. Jake Goldrich Avatar
    Jake Goldrich

    You, sir, are what a father should be. Kudos to you. Would you mind emailing me a little more about your progress? I’ve had some skin stuff come up as an adult and I’ve just started taking primadophilus reuteri and headaches started rolling in like crazy (thinking it’s histamine).

  96. Jake Goldrich Avatar
    Jake Goldrich

    I am currently using it…for my intestinal issues it literally transformed me. It’s like night and day. I was ejecting 6 lbs of fecal matter in 2 days, and now that I’ve started on it…I’m no longer having hyper transit times for food when I eat. I can feel the mucosa lining being repaired in my intestines. Movements seem smooth, but not watery. Digestion is much more complete and I noticed these changes within 2 days. I will say the negative are :

    Horrible headaches (histamine reaction?)

    Flatulence of an insane order

    Discoloration of feces (might be my own issues)

    Hope this helps!

  97. MTM Avatar
    MTM

    Wow, that took some months of research and lots of dead ends but I think I may have finally found something worth considering:

    Renew Life Ultimate Flora Probiotic Formula, Adult 50+

    B. lactis (A)
    B. lactis (B)
    B. bifidum (anti-inflammatory)
    B. breve
    B. infantis
    B. longum

  98. Stacey Anne Cross Avatar
    Stacey Anne Cross
  99. Jodilers Avatar
    Jodilers

    Optibac has an article on their site regarding histamine intolerance and their products. I’ve been cautiously taking four of their products for several months and am doing well. By cautiously I mean with DAO supplements. http://www.optibacprobiotics.co.uk/faq/which-probiotic-for-histamine-intolerance
    I’m reading 10% Human and can’t recommend it enough (purchased when seeing the American Museum of Natural History exhibit in Dec). The microbiome is more powerful than you would ever believe and the newest research is astounding.

  100. Jodilers Avatar
    Jodilers

    Optibac has an article on their site regarding histamine intolerance and their products. I’ve been cautiously taking four of their products for several months and am doing well. By cautiously I mean with DAO supplements. http://www.optibacprobiotics.co.uk/faq/which-probiotic-for-histamine-intolerance
    I’m reading 10% Human and can’t recommend it enough (purchased when seeing the American Museum of Natural History exhibit in Dec). The microbiome is more powerful than you would ever believe and the newest research is astounding.

  101. Rachel Avatar
    Rachel

    Have you updated your PBX selections? (I just bought your AntiCookbook today!) – Rachel in Minnesota, USA

  102. Guest Avatar
    Guest

    Unfortunately she never checks her comments anymore. Infantis and longum are the best, and contrary to what she writes above, l. reuteri should be avoided.

  103. Guest Avatar
    Guest

    Unfortunately she never checks her comments anymore. Infantis and longum are the best, and contrary to what she writes above, l. reuteri should be avoided.

  104. Mike Robins Avatar
    Mike Robins

    I have geographoc tongue and feel its related to histamine but i dont really have other symptoms. anyone else have this?

  105. Mike Robins Avatar
    Mike Robins

    I have geographoc tongue and feel its related to histamine but i dont really have other symptoms. anyone else have this?

  106. Dianna Suslo Avatar
    Dianna Suslo

    What about paracasei? In Leo Galland’s book he cites studies that show it decreased allergies.

  107. Peter Avatar
    Peter

    Thank you for article. It mentions plantarum lowers tyramine in one paragraph but says no effect on tyramine in next one.

  108. Peter Avatar
    Peter

    Just FYI.

  109. Lizzy Stabel Avatar
    Lizzy Stabel

    I always used ‘probiota sensitive’ from seeking health. Should I switch too one of these then whey i emptied the bottle ? thanks !

  110. Jenny Avatar
    Jenny

    So is it okay to use?

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